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	==Orcish Laws & Customs==		==Orcish Laws & Customs==
	Now, another extreme: Orcish culture in Brekon and Dubunat. Whereas the Jechrani focus on strong women, [[Brekon]] and [[Dubunat]] are patriarchal to the extreme. To our eyes, it is slavery: A woman belongs to her husband, period.		Now, another extreme: Orcish culture in [[Brekon]] and [[Dubunat]]. Whereas the Jechrani focus on strong women, Brekon and Dubunat are patriarchal to the extreme. To our eyes, it is slavery: A woman belongs to her husband, period.

	Once married, the man has nearly every right to his women, with only one drawback: As long as he can support her and her children.		Once married, the man has nearly every right to his women, with only one drawback: As long as he can support her and her children.

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	It is a complex system of checks and balances.		It is a complex system of checks and balances.

	Also, a woman has very specific rights should the man fail to care for her children. True to Valokian philosophy, these rights are far too numerous and complicated to be recounted here. I advise interested students to go to the second floor of the ~~great~~ Library, and search for "Law on Children", Brekon, Volumes II to XII.		Also, a woman has very specific rights should the man fail to care for her children. True to Valokian philosophy, these rights are far too numerous and complicated to be recounted here. I advise interested students to go to the second floor of the Great Library ''(of Mikona)'', and search for "Law on Children", Brekon, Volumes II to XII.

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	It is interesting to see that despite this very frightening concept, orcish women are cherished by their men, and often cared for very tenderly. The orc male has every right to do what he pleases, but he rarely exercises it unless he wants to invite betrayal. Which can be lethal among orcs, especially in Brekon: An orc husband who can be successfully accused of not caring for his children faces numerous legal charges. And not a few of them end in death or poverty ... often both.		It is interesting to see that despite this very frightening concept, orcish women are cherished by their men, and often cared for very tenderly. The orc male has every right to do what he pleases, but he rarely exercises it unless he wants to invite betrayal. Which can be lethal among orcs, especially in Brekon: An orc husband who can be successfully accused of not caring for his children faces numerous legal charges. And not a few of them end in death or poverty ... often both.

	Still, humans and elves watching an orc male cherishing his wife will often still be appalled: Orcish customs do have a very rough aspect. One must bear in mind that orcs are rather robust.		Still, [[Human\|humans]] and elves watching an orc male cherishing his wife will often still be appalled: Orcish customs do have a very rough aspect. One must bear in mind that orcs are rather robust.

	So it's not surprising that the humans living in Brekon do not emulate their orcish countrymen in these things that diligently. It is another reason why coupling between orcs and humans are not very widespread. Simply put: The humans break too easily.		So it's not surprising that the humans living in Brekon do not emulate their orcish countrymen in these things that diligently. It is another reason why coupling between orcs and humans are not very widespread. Simply put: The humans break too easily.

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	==Jechran and the Supporter~~/Protector~~ Relationship==		==Jechran and the Protector/Supporter Relationship==

	Now, as remarkable this concept is, to our southerner eyes, it pales when compared to the customs found in Jechran. This nation of jungles and hostile environment has created a society dominated by the rule of women. And although we tend to think it's similar here, we find it isn't.		Now, as remarkable this concept is, to our southerner eyes, it pales when compared to the customs found in Jechran. This nation of jungles and hostile environment has created a society dominated by the rule of women. And although we tend to think it's similar here, we find it isn't.
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	Still, the women of Jechran do form personal relationships. In fact, they have a complex and intriguing system of Protectors and Supporters. Most often, all parties involved in this are women, although in some tribes men have been accepted as Supporters.		Still, the women of Jechran do form personal relationships. In fact, they have a complex and intriguing system of Protectors and Supporters. Most often, all parties involved in this are women, although in some tribes men have been accepted as Supporters.

	Depending on her tribe's actual customs, which always vary, a woman declares herself publicly as Protector of one or more others. These others in turn declare to be that ~~womans~~ Supporter. Technically, and in the original sense, this Protector is the one who can actually defend the others, hunt for food, and is generally of great martial prowess. I say technically, because this can be watered down, depending on the actual tribe.		Depending on her tribe's actual customs, which always vary, a woman declares herself publicly as Protector of one or more others. These others in turn declare to be that woman's Supporter. Technically, and in the original sense, this Protector is the one who can actually defend the others, hunt for food, and is generally of great martial prowess. I say technically, because this can be watered down, depending on the actual tribe.

	Those who live in safe and peaceful areas, don't need such martial prowess, so wealth, certain skills or other factors can make out the Protector. The Supporters are the ones who act as emotional support and advisor.		Those who live in safe and peaceful areas, don't need such martial prowess, so wealth, certain skills or other factors can make out the Protector. The Supporters are the ones who act as emotional support and advisor.

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	=Laws and Philosophies regarding the possible Unions between men and women=		=Laws and Philosophies regarding the possible Unions between men and women=

	The following is a transcript of [[PCs:Janur da Medican\|Janur da Medican]]'s lecture on marriage customs. It was held at the [[Guild:ATU\|ATU]] in [[Mikona]].		The following is a transcript of [[PCs:Janur da Medican\|Janur da Medican]]'s lecture on marriage customs. It was held at the [[Guild:ATU\|ATU]] in [[Mikona]].


	==Introduction==		==Introduction==

	Now, I'm sure you all have read the title for today on the announcement: Laws and Philosophies regarding the possible Unions between men and women.		Now, I'm sure you all have read the title for today on the announcement: Laws and Philosophies regarding the possible Unions between men and women.

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	Of course, the most known and also the most widespread form is obvious: A lifelong union between one man and one woman. But as straightforward this concept seems to be, as differently it is handled in most parts of southern Avlis.		Of course, the most known and also the most widespread form is obvious: A lifelong union between one man and one woman. But as straightforward this concept seems to be, as differently it is handled in most parts of southern Avlis.

	Those of you, who have contact with the [[Guild:Maidens\|Warrior Maidens]] of [[Dre'Ana]] surely have heard of the [[Jechran]] custom of the Protector - Supporter relationship. On the other hand, you may know of the [[Orc\|orcish]] customs, where men own their women, quite literally. Now, in the following lecture, I will try to give you a broad overview of the predominant mating forms and rituals.		Those of you, who have contact with the [[Guild:Maidens\|Warrior Maidens]] of [[Dre'Ana]] surely have heard of the [[Jechran]] custom of the Protector/Supporter relationship. On the other hand, you may know of the [[Orc\|orcish]] customs, where men own their women, quite literally. Now, in the following lecture, I will try to give you a broad overview of the predominant mating forms and rituals.


	==A Couple for Life==		==A Couple for Life==

	Let me start with the predominant "one-couple-for-life" marriage. It is indeed a very widespread tradition, found in most countries and places, but you will find variations. These variations adress the rights and duties of the invovled parties.		Let me start with the predominant "one-couple-for-life" marriage. It is indeed a very widespread tradition, found in most countries and places, but you will find variations. These variations adress the rights and duties of the invovled parties.


	===M'Chekian Traditions===		===M'Chekian Traditions===

	[[M'Chek\|M'Chekian]] traditions, and I would like to start with these, are influenced mostly by the Romini. What we call civilization has changed their habits a bit, but in essence the [[Romini]] have only a hazy and rather ... blurry notion of permanent marriages. Couples are formed to conceive and raise children, or simply out of the desire for company, and later split up and reformed with other partners. [[Mikon]]'s folk mostly keeps itself free from too restricting bounds, while still keeping close ties to each other. Mostly within one group, but there are also ties which spread to other groups.		[[M'Chek\|M'Chekian]] traditions, and I would like to start with these, are influenced mostly by the Romini. What we call civilization has changed their habits a bit, but in essence the [[Romini]] have only a hazy and rather ... blurry notion of permanent marriages. Couples are formed to conceive and raise children, or simply out of the desire for company, and later split up and reformed with other partners. [[Mikon]]'s folk mostly keeps itself free from too restricting bounds, while still keeping close ties to each other. Mostly within one group, but there are also ties which spread to other groups.

	Thus, the M'Chekian laws regarding marriage are rather lax. You will see though, that this is one of the great differences between the Romini and the Lords of the Kurathene:		Thus, the M'Chekian laws regarding marriage are rather lax. You will see though, that this is one of the great differences between the Romini and the Lords of the [[Kurathene]]:

	M'Chekian law tries to reflect the fact that marriage is something that has different meanings to different couples. In essence, the law helps to formally recognize the union between two people. That is all.		M'Chekian law tries to reflect the fact that marriage is something that has different meanings to different couples. In essence, the law helps to formally recognize the union between two people. That is all.
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	===Nanshi Traditions===		===Nanshi Traditions===

	Now, let me show you a very contrasting example: [[T'Nanshi]].		Now, let me show you a very contrasting example: [[T'Nanshi]].

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	If they have children, usually the elders decide then how to deal with this situation. Surprisingly, it isn't a common thing: It is more an emergency ruling, which isn't applied very often.		If they have children, usually the elders decide then how to deal with this situation. Surprisingly, it isn't a common thing: It is more an emergency ruling, which isn't applied very often.


	==Jechran and the Supporter/Protector Relationship==		==Jechran and the Supporter/Protector Relationship==

	Now, as remarkable this concept is, to our southerner eyes, it pales when compared to the customs found in Jechran. This nation of jungles and hostile environment has created a society dominated by the rule of women. And although we tend to think it's similar here, we find it isn't.		Now, as remarkable this concept is, to our southerner eyes, it pales when compared to the customs found in Jechran. This nation of jungles and hostile environment has created a society dominated by the rule of women. And although we tend to think it's similar here, we find it isn't.

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	Now, despite their weakness when it comes to recognizing their men as equals, the Jechrani are a remarkably open and tolerant folk. Species is nearly always irrelevant, and the same applies to social hierarchy.		Now, despite their weakness when it comes to recognizing their men as equals, the Jechrani are a remarkably open and tolerant folk. Species is nearly always irrelevant, and the same applies to social hierarchy.

	If it comes to actual mating, there is a point of ... compatibility. But regarding the Protector-Supporter relationships, it is indeed irrelevant.		If it comes to actual mating, there is a point of ... compatibility. But regarding the Protector/Supporter relationships, it is indeed irrelevant.

	==Orcish Laws & Customs==		==Orcish Laws & Customs==
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	Still, humans and elves watching an orc male cherishing his wife will often still be appalled: Orcish customs do have a very rough aspect. One must bear in mind that orcs are rather robust.		Still, humans and elves watching an orc male cherishing his wife will often still be appalled: Orcish customs do have a very rough aspect. One must bear in mind that orcs are rather robust.

	So it's not surprising that the humans living in Brekon ~~don't~~ emulate their orcish countrymen in these things that diligently. It is another reason why coupling between orcs and humans are not very widespread. Simply put: The humans break too easily.		So it's not surprising that the humans living in Brekon do not emulate their orcish countrymen in these things that diligently. It is another reason why coupling between orcs and humans are not very widespread. Simply put: The humans break too easily.

	The interesting fact again is that orcish society does allow an orc man to have as many women as he can support. The intriguing thing is that the laws don't state that he has to support the women though, but only their children.		The interesting fact again is that orcish society does allow an orc man to have as many women as he can support. The intriguing thing is that the laws don't state that he has to support the women though, but only their children.
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	It is a complex system of checks and balances.		It is a complex system of checks and balances.

	Also, a woman has very specific rights should the man fail to care for her children. True to Valokian philosophy, these rights are far too numerous and complicated to be recounted here. I advise interested students to go to the second floor of the great Library, and search for "Law On Children", Brekon, Volumes II to XII.		Also, a woman has very specific rights should the man fail to care for her children. True to Valokian philosophy, these rights are far too numerous and complicated to be recounted here. I advise interested students to go to the second floor of the great Library, and search for "Law on Children", Brekon, Volumes II to XII.


	==Kurathene Traditions==		==Kurathene Traditions==
	Close to Brekon, we find the remnants of what was once the great ~~[[Kurathene\|~~Kurathene Empire]]. Unlike as in Brekon, polygamy isn't supported by the law there. But, as often, we find that might makes right.
			Close to Brekon, we find the remnants of what was once the great Kurathene Empire. Unlike as in Brekon, polygamy isn't supported by the law there. But, as often, we find that might makes right.

	The general custom however, is that marriage is a lifelong thing, and one that joins one man to one woman. Both have broadly the same rights, although families are invariably traced through the male line. In fact, Kurathenes place great store on bloodlines, and the relations of families.		The general custom however, is that marriage is a lifelong thing, and one that joins one man to one woman. Both have broadly the same rights, although families are invariably traced through the male line. In fact, Kurathenes place great store on bloodlines, and the relations of families.
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	Not surprisingly, for a nation that places such a great store on bloodlines, there is a tendency against unions which bring in foreign blood. This is less a matter of racial inferiority than political inferiority. If there is to be something to be gained with a union from, say, an orc in Brekon, or the [[Seven Cities]], some families would gladly accept it.		Not surprisingly, for a nation that places such a great store on bloodlines, there is a tendency against unions which bring in foreign blood. This is less a matter of racial inferiority than political inferiority. If there is to be something to be gained with a union from, say, an orc in Brekon, or the [[Seven Cities]], some families would gladly accept it.


	==Deglos and Galdos==		==Deglos and Galdos==

	The [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] and [[Gnome\|gnomes]] don't have any prejudices against interspecies or interculture marriages. They just don't do it. One might answer that the first King of [[Deglos]] married a gnome and abdicated afterwards. As they view [[Fegall]] as their maker of things, Deglosians do realize that gnomes and dwarves differ, but not in terms of species or nation. It is clearly visible that the Deglosians are quite open minded, and usually their marriages are almost always love-inspired.		The [[Dwarf\|dwarves]] and [[Gnome\|gnomes]] don't have any prejudices against interspecies or interculture marriages. They just don't do it. One might answer that the first King of [[Deglos]] married a gnome and abdicated afterwards. As they view [[Fegall]] as their maker of things, Deglosians do realize that gnomes and dwarves differ, but not in terms of species or nation. It is clearly visible that the Deglosians are quite open minded, and usually their marriages are almost always love-inspired.

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	Dwarves in general have no use for concept of divorce, and I haven't found it among gnomes or [[Halfling\|halflings]] either.		Dwarves in general have no use for concept of divorce, and I haven't found it among gnomes or [[Halfling\|halflings]] either.


	==Odds and Ends==		==Odds and Ends==

	I'm nearly at the end of this lecture by now, but there are some tidbits still left to tell: [[Drotid]] for example encompasses quite different cultures, with vastly different approaches to this concept. The [[Shaahesk\|Lizardmen]] don't know anything of a lifelong or even temporal union. They do have a mass mating at certain times, and then return to their usual tasks		I'm nearly at the end of this lecture by now, but there are some tidbits still left to tell: [[Drotid]] for example encompasses quite different cultures, with vastly different approaches to this concept. The [[Shaahesk\|Lizardmen]] don't know anything of a lifelong or even temporal union. They do have a mass mating at certain times, and then return to their usual tasks

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	Not surprisingly, a couple can always decide to simply abandon such a wedding contract, should both agree to it. It is the expression of the personal freedom Mikon granted his beloved folk.		Not surprisingly, a couple can always decide to simply abandon such a wedding contract, should both agree to it. It is the expression of the personal freedom Mikon granted his beloved folk.

	Now, Student [[PCs:V'heress\|V'heress]] mentioned the "financial aspect". Indeed, this is often regulated very finely in Mikona. But this is not a native M'Chekian custom which stems from its Romini roots. It has been spread by the Church of [[Valok]], which is indeed quite present here in this city.		Now, [[Guild:ATU#Students_of_the_ATU_from_the_Recent_Past\|Student]] [[PCs:V'heress\|V'heress]] mentioned the "financial aspect". Indeed, this is often regulated very finely in Mikona. But this is not a native M'Chekian custom which stems from its Romini roots. It has been spread by the Church of [[Valok]], which is indeed quite present here in this city.

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	But don't be mistaken: This is a habit which is not covered by law, and not as widespread as you might think now. It is a habit that has evolved in the circles of those who have been regularly forced into unions due to political reasons.		But don't be mistaken: This is a habit which is not covered by law, and not as widespread as you might think now. It is a habit that has evolved in the circles of those who have been regularly forced into unions due to political reasons.

	Not surprisingly, for a nation that places such a great store on bloodlines, there is a tendency against unions which bring in foreign blood. This is less a matter of racial inferiority than political inferiority. If there is to be something to be gained with a union from say ~~...~~ an orc in Brekon, or the Seven Cities ~~...~~ some families would gladly accept it.		Not surprisingly, for a nation that places such a great store on bloodlines, there is a tendency against unions which bring in foreign blood. This is less a matter of racial inferiority than political inferiority. If there is to be something to be gained with a union from, say, an orc in Brekon, or the [[Seven Cities]], some families would gladly accept it.

	==Deglos and Galdos==		==Deglos and Galdos==

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	==Jechran and the Supporter/Protector Relationship==		==Jechran and the Supporter/Protector Relationship==
	Now, as remarkable this concept is, to our southerner eyes, it pales when compared to the customs found in Jechran. This nation of jungles and hostile environment has created a society dominated by the rule of women. ~~and~~ although we tend to think it's similar here, we find it isn't.		Now, as remarkable this concept is, to our southerner eyes, it pales when compared to the customs found in Jechran. This nation of jungles and hostile environment has created a society dominated by the rule of women. And although we tend to think it's similar here, we find it isn't.

	As per the teachings of Dre'Ana, women take up all important roles in society: Men are considered to be inferior, weak minded, and thus ~~can't~~ be trusted with any vital tasks. This view actually also involves matters of the heart. So a Jechrani woman would never consider a male an equal partner, capable of loving her as she would love her partner.		As per the teachings of Dre'Ana, women take up all important roles in society: Men are considered to be inferior, weak minded, and thus cannot be trusted with any vital tasks. This view actually also involves matters of the heart. So a Jechrani woman would never consider a male an equal partner, capable of loving her as she would love her partner.

	It is a very strange concept, but Jechran society has lived with it successfully for quite some time. Now, as a consequence, women turn to other women to seek comfort and love. Men are cherished and loved, but by the whole tribe, and more as one would cherish a child.		It is a very strange concept, but Jechran society has lived with it successfully for quite some time. Now, as a consequence, women turn to other women to seek comfort and love. Men are cherished and loved, but by the whole tribe, and more as one would cherish a child.
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	Depending on her tribe's actual customs, which always vary, a woman declares herself publicly as Protector of one or more others. These others in turn declare to be that womans Supporter. Technically, and in the original sense, this Protector is the one who can actually defend the others, hunt for food, and is generally of great martial prowess. I say technically, because this can be watered down, depending on the actual tribe.		Depending on her tribe's actual customs, which always vary, a woman declares herself publicly as Protector of one or more others. These others in turn declare to be that womans Supporter. Technically, and in the original sense, this Protector is the one who can actually defend the others, hunt for food, and is generally of great martial prowess. I say technically, because this can be watered down, depending on the actual tribe.

	Those who live in safe and peaceful areas, don't need such martial prowess, so wealth, certain skills or other factors can make out the Protector. The Supporters are the ones who act as emotional support and advisor		Those who live in safe and peaceful areas, don't need such martial prowess, so wealth, certain skills or other factors can make out the Protector. The Supporters are the ones who act as emotional support and advisor.

	It is not uncommon that one given Protector can have more than one ~~supporter~~, if her martial prowess, or wealth can afford that.		It is not uncommon that one given Protector can have more than one Supporter, if her martial prowess, or wealth can afford that.

	But as this relationship is not only a formal one, but also an emotional one, the ~~supporters~~ do have a say when it comes to adding new ~~supporters~~. If one dislikes the new addition she often has the opportunity to cast a veto. If this veto isn't heeded, she can withdraw her support, which essentially ends the formal relationship. It is interesting to know that this is often the only way out of the this "marriage" for the Supporter.		But as this relationship is not only a formal one, but also an emotional one, the Supporters do have a say when it comes to adding new Supporters. If one dislikes the new addition she often has the opportunity to cast a veto. If this veto isn't heeded, she can withdraw her support, which essentially ends the formal relationship. It is interesting to know that this is often the only way out of the this "marriage" for the Supporter.

	Now, despite their weakness when it comes to recognizing their men as equals, the Jechrani are a remarkably open and tolerant folk. Species is nearly always irrelevant, and the same applies to social hierarchy.		Now, despite their weakness when it comes to recognizing their men as equals, the Jechrani are a remarkably open and tolerant folk. Species is nearly always irrelevant, and the same applies to social hierarchy.

	If it comes to actual mating, there is a point of ... compatibility. But regarding the Protector-Supporter relationships, it is indeed irrelevant.		If it comes to actual mating, there is a point of ... compatibility. But regarding the Protector-Supporter relationships, it is indeed irrelevant.


	==Orcish Laws & Customs==		==Orcish Laws & Customs==

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	===M'Chekian Traditions===		===M'Chekian Traditions===
	[[M'Chek\|M'Chekian]] traditions, and I would like to start with these, are influenced mostly by the Romini. What we call ~~civilisation~~ has changed their habits a bit, but in ~~the~~ essence the [[Romini]] have only a hazy and rather ... blurry notion of permanent marriages. Couples are formed to conceive and raise children, or simply out of the desire for company, and later split up and reformed with other partners. [[Mikon]]'s folk mostly keeps itself free from too restricting bounds, while still keeping close ties to each other. Mostly within one group, but there are also ties which spread to other groups.		[[M'Chek\|M'Chekian]] traditions, and I would like to start with these, are influenced mostly by the Romini. What we call civilization has changed their habits a bit, but in essence the [[Romini]] have only a hazy and rather ... blurry notion of permanent marriages. Couples are formed to conceive and raise children, or simply out of the desire for company, and later split up and reformed with other partners. [[Mikon]]'s folk mostly keeps itself free from too restricting bounds, while still keeping close ties to each other. Mostly within one group, but there are also ties which spread to other groups.

	Thus, the M'Chekian laws regarding marriage are rather lax. You will see though, that this is one of the great differences between the Romini and the Lords of the Kurathene:		Thus, the M'Chekian laws regarding marriage are rather lax. You will see though, that this is one of the great differences between the Romini and the Lords of the Kurathene:
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	If they have children, usually the elders decide then how to deal with this situation. Surprisingly, it isn't a common thing: It is more an emergency ruling, which isn't applied very often.		If they have children, usually the elders decide then how to deal with this situation. Surprisingly, it isn't a common thing: It is more an emergency ruling, which isn't applied very often.


	==Jechran and the Supporter/Protector Relationship==		==Jechran and the Supporter/Protector Relationship==

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	==Kurathene Traditions==		==Kurathene Traditions==
	Close to Brekon, we find the remnants of what was once the great [[Kurathene Empire]]. Unlike as in Brekon, polygamy isn't supported by the law there. But, as often, we find that might makes right.		Close to Brekon, we find the remnants of what was once the great [[Kurathene\|Kurathene Empire]]. Unlike as in Brekon, polygamy isn't supported by the law there. But, as often, we find that might makes right.

	The general custom however, is that marriage is a lifelong thing, and one that joins one man to one woman. Both have broadly the same rights, although families are invariably traced through the male line. In fact, Kurathenes place great store on bloodlines, and the relations of families.		The general custom however, is that marriage is a lifelong thing, and one that joins one man to one woman. Both have broadly the same rights, although families are invariably traced through the male line. In fact, Kurathenes place great store on bloodlines, and the relations of families.